Suzuki Satria FU|Raider|Belang vs Kawasaki Ninja RR
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Have you ever heard this argument? “In order to equalize a 2 stroke power in the same cylinder capacity, a 4 stroke engine need to increase its cylinder displacement up to twice – or at least 1,5- of the 2 strokes cc”. It means a 150cc two strokes power are about equal to 250 even 300cc 4 strokes.
Now back to the title of this article, Based on the argument: does it makes sense to compare 4stroke Suzuki Raider 150 with 2stroke Kawasaki Ninja 150 ??? Even the companion – Kawasaki Ninja 250R – still considered as inferior to Ninja RR.
Just for example, here’s what happened when a 150cc 4 stroke try to challenge a 150cc 2 stroke.
Video 1, Satria FU|Raider|Belang 150cc vs Honda NSR150
Even though that Satria FU on the video has equipped with Keihin PE28 Carb, Racing CDI and Racing Exhaust, yet it still easily beaten by a 150cc NSR.
Ok, now i wanna show you the other video:
Watching the 2nd video, i guess your first comment might be : “What a pity, that Satria/Raider must be a loser one”. Well, I can understand if you thought so. Indeed, the FU Rider looked clumsy at a start line. He lost balance right after the flag raised. He also missed the 3rd gear, but still trying his best to pursue the Ninja. But what if I tell you that in the end of this 402 straight duel, it was the raider|satria|belang who came out as a winner?
Here is the screenshot when this Satria FU finally catch up and then took a lead over the Ninja
So, what was the specification of this Satria FU ?
- Piston: 66mm
- Stroke 56,8mm Using LHK stroker pin 4mm
- Cilinder Dysplacement : 194cc
- Camshaft : Custom
- Carburetor : Keihin PE28
- CDI : Cheetah Power Classic
- Exhaust : CMS
- Valve : Standard / stock
- Coil : Standard /Stock
- Spark Plug : Standard/ Stock
Looking to the specification, 194cc is still far away from the required cylinder displacement as stated in the argument (doubled or at least 250cc right?). And I know for sure that this satria FU is not a competition bike. Just a regular bike for daily use.
So, what do you think about the argument now? fact or maybe myth ?
Hmmm…Maybe yes, maybe not 🙂
By the way..i forgot to tell you..the clumsy rider on the video; it was me with my bike 🙂
See you in another articles,
Satria 155
Klo fu nya standart gimana?bawaan pabrik sama2
jelas kalah 150cc 4 tak mas….bumi dan langit performanya..
contohnya ya yg di video no 1. FU150cc vs NSR150cc
that was superb performace…
http://irza4627.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/pengaruh-kembalinya-rossi-ke-penjualan-yamaha/
thx broo….
Is the maintenance of a modified satria the same as standard satria? And if satria has a long stroke setting, how about the redline RPM? Still the same?
in my experience: nothing special, just a regular fresh oil treatment.
I don’t really know about a technical aspects just like piston speed etc, but yes, i suggest the stroked up satria to pay attention on high rpm, i guess the redline should be slightly lowered. It wont be a problem since the rpm range needed for max torque and power also gained at lower rpm.
So, you’re the rider who wride that bike, and eventually it’s your bike too!
The video/images have taken place circularly in belangr.org forum and our facebooks too (SBRC/SBRM) before this.
In my opinion, standard FU (I mean, it was tuned minor besides engine) like that with a 194cc displacement was a big surprise for a straight duel with Ninja 150RR since here in Malaysia, Ninja 250R vs 150RR were arguably debated, and of course many words-of-mouth still saying 150RR still the best since it’s a2 Strokes bike.
Testing…
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Musyrif
Hi musyrif…i was surprised knowing the pic also circulated among belang forum there in malaysia. Frankly, i never imagine this coincident duel would draw such attention.
Yes, it was me and my fu. the pic taken on April 2011 at sentul by one of the spectators. The vid taken by one of my friends but never published until now.
Actually, there was nothing special with my fu. i believe that all raider150 would perform the same (or even better) with more or less modified engine like mine was. A three pillars combine with bore up or stroke up. Keep it under 200cc for a daily use. Its perform really well as street performances bike, a fair match for a big boy like ninja 250 or even rr on a daily street riding encounter. Well, maybe not suitable for a long road highway type like in malay, coz we dont have that luxury here, -bikes are not allowed to enter highway in indo-, but still superior enough for our daily street condition here.
salam hormat dari jakarta,
satria155
oh tq. i want to try out a bore up setting with carburetor with my belang here in malaysia. i wonder how will it perform especially on long highways..
trimas ya. salam dari malaysia
ur welcome brader,
yes i would suggest bore up instead of stroke up for a long highway use.
i dont know what pistons available there in malay. but i would preferred 68-70mm piston to gain some really noticeable improvement in FU without stroke up.
with all the 'suplements' that the fu had , maybe it's not too reliable to compare that fu with ninja 150rr , even the ninja has 2 stroke engine. I think the ninja's still in standart stock (exhaust, wheel, tire, carb). The question is how if the ninja has replace the stock carb, exhaust system, firing system, porting n polished, and light wheel and also tiny tire (cylinder diplacment still 150cc)? had you tested it before bro?
but I really appreciate your posts 🙂
thanks
Suparmin
Ragunan – Pasarminggu.
Indonesia
with all the 'suplements' that the fu had , maybe it's not too reliable to compare that fu with ninja 150rr , even the ninja has 2 stroke engine. I think the ninja's still in standart stock (exhaust, wheel, tire, carb). The question is how if the ninja has replace the stock carb, exhaust system, firing system, porting n polished, and light wheel and also tiny tire (cylinder diplacment still 150cc)? had you tested it before bro?
but I really appreciate your posts 🙂
thanks
Suparmin
Ragunan – Pasarminggu.
Indonesia
with all the 'suplements' that the fu had , maybe it's not too reliable to compare that fu with ninja 150rr , even the ninja has 2 stroke engine. I think the ninja's still in standart stock (exhaust, wheel, tire, carb). The question is how if the ninja has replace the stock carb, exhaust system, firing system, porting n polished, and light wheel and also tiny tire (cylinder diplacment still 150cc)? had you tested it before bro?
but I really appreciate your posts 🙂
thanks
Suparmin
Ragunan – Pasarminggu.
Indonesia
with all the 'suplements' that the fu had , maybe it's not too reliable to compare that fu with ninja 150rr , even the ninja has 2 stroke engine. I think the ninja's still in standart stock (exhaust, wheel, tire, carb). The question is how if the ninja has replace the stock carb, exhaust system, firing system, porting n polished, and light wheel and also tiny tire (cylinder diplacment still 150cc)? had you tested it before bro?
but I really appreciate your posts 🙂
thanks
Suparmin
Ragunan – Pasarminggu.
Indonesia
with all the ‘suplements’ that the fu had , maybe it’s not too reliable to compare that fu with ninja 150rr , even the ninja has 2 stroke engine. I think the ninja’s still in standart stock (exhaust, wheel, tire, carb). The question is how if the ninja has replace the stock carb, exhaust system, firing system, porting n polished, and light wheel and also tiny tire (cylinder diplacment still 150cc)? had you tested it before bro?
but I really appreciate your posts 🙂
thanks
Suparmin
Ragunan – Pasarminggu.
Indonesia
hi.,,thx for ur comment…
“its not reliable”, i guess u mean its not a fair comparison, right?
well, here is my way of thinking.
-The 1st equation:
standard RR vs standard FU = UNFAIR comparison.
Not only for FU, but for most of 4stroke road bike here in Indo. even a standard Ninja 250 is still no match for a mighty standard stock RR.
– 2nd equation. How to make it a little much fair for the inferior side (FU)?. Get the FU engine up. SO now its much more ‘fair’ equation.
– So How if the RR also get some upgrading…?
well..it just mean you r going Back to the 1st equation :D.
You can see the result in any drag bike competition. Whos ruling the timing record? a full specs 2 stroke engine.
Surprising ? Nope, Not at all.
simply coz we know 2 strokes inherit power advantages, already since they were born.
thanx for comment here brader suparmin..
it much appreciated
thank you bro 155 🙂
not reliable i means that you have too much engine displacement to be equalize with the standar paddock ninja rr hehe.
i’ll try to make a little calculation ,for example Ninja 150rr have 31 hp with 124,5 kg empty weight + 60kg rider = 184,5 kg, so it has pwr value as 0,168.
With 106 kg of fu’s empty weight+60 kg rider , the minimal power of fu to be equalized with ninja standar stock is around 27,9 hp. To get 27,9 hp fu engine , it doesn’t take to have as large as yours engine displacement bro 155 😀 .
As i know with read some info and sharing with the dyno owner , to get that fu power your just minimal in 175-185 engine displacement with some supplements and good tuning of course 🙂
ur welcome brader… 🙂
if it so, then it was my mistake for misinterpreting your word “not reliable’ 🙂
actually, i’m well aware about that.. my spec was might be ‘too much’ for a standard rr 😀 , never get my bike on a dynotest either, so never know how much hp it possessed :). Surely, my bike is not good example for fu riders out there who seek better power for his bike..
So, i do agree with you. Many FU out there who could perform way better than mine with a smaller displacement. Anyway, we both know that cc is only half of the games, still many rooms left to gain significant power with a lower displacement. we just need to find a good tuner.
talking bout dyno, this article might be worth to check too :
http://satria155.com/satria-fu-30hp-raider-belang/
http://satria155.com/satria-fu-harian-30dk-den-bagus/
yes, for the example , it’s fact that not necessarily the 180cc engine has more power output with the other smaller cc engines , i can bet it 🙂 it always depends on the ‘supplements’ and the tuning and also the weight of the rider hahaha
i had read those article few times 🙂 the ambitious rider om wildan and tricky mechanic pakde agus londo gave satria fu worlds some new kind of development. i really appreciate with them
semua tergantung spefikasi motor bung….
dan sipenunggang pun nyali dan skill harus menghumpuni.
terima kasih.
semua tergantung spefikasi motor bung….
dan sipenunggang pun nyali dan skill harus menghumpuni.
terima kasih.
semua tergantung spefikasi motor bung….
dan sipenunggang pun nyali dan skill harus menghumpuni.
terima kasih.
semua tergantung spefikasi motor bung….
dan sipenunggang pun nyali dan skill harus menghumpuni.
terima kasih.
satria FU memang keren/.
satria FU memang keren/.
satria FU memang keren/.
satria FU memang keren/.
wau jadi pengen ikutan ni.
wau jadi pengen ikutan ni.
wau jadi pengen ikutan ni.
perfectttt…….
perfectttt…….
Keren Abis Bro.
Keren Abis Bro.